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| Matteus User Info... |  http://www.youtube.com/user/matteusvstheworld Starting in the 2nd week of March, we'll be filming as many live shows as possible to start a new video based website featuring ALL genres of music here in Victoria. If you have a show that you would like taped, let us know. All we ask is that you comp us at the door (and some beer is a bonus). We will film all the bands at that show, usually a couple of songs each. IF THERE is a sound board, we take a signal out to dub over. If not, we rely on an external condenser mic to take the sound. We shoot in high definition and the results are great. Check out the youtube channel to see a recent show at Lucky Bar. Thanks! (contact info on website or in side bar) P.S- keep a look out for our new recording studio too! - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 4:57pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | March 14th at Logan's. Rotterdam and Crown The Wolf would probably appreciate some footage being taken. Pride Tiger might too. You'd have to ask them. We can comp you no problem. - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 5:54pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Has the sound gotten any better at Logan's in the last year? Last time I was there it was pretty rough. Oh, could bands please email me rather than post here? Thanks! P.S- crown the wolf sounds like fun! - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 6:02pm Edited: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 6:10pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | This is great news. I hope a good variety of bands take advantage of this offer. I would definably purchase a copy of the Rotterdam/Crown The Wolf show. - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 6:12pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Good to hear TC. The whole buying and selling thing though can get really messy unless the band and I sit down and discuss it. Until then, it's just a couple songs from each band. We want to cover the whole spectrum of genres too. Folk, Rock, Hardcore, Jazz, Industrial, Pop, Funk, Metal.... and anything else. - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 6:24pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Logan's still sounds the same. Not sure what you are planning on doing to compensate, but I am definitely curious. We can continue discussion via email. Shoot me a message if you're interested in this. - Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:30pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | I noticed that the vocals were really high in the mix from the Lucky show (Tranzmitors, Laudronauts). Was this recorded with a mic and off the board? - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 1:28pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Yes, the lucky show was both a mic (sm58) and the board mix. I am more particular to having the vocals stand out as they are usually so low in videos. Not too much I can do about that at this time but I am working on it. If anyone has the experience, I use a m-audio interface that has two XLR inputs w/ 8 TRS mono inputs on the back (only 6 if you use the mics). If I can use an extra aux send (rare) then I can create my own mix, but I try to avoid being a pain in the ass to the sound man. Any ideas on how to get a better mix with the least effort on all parties? thanks! - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 1:36pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | Mic splitters. Doesn't involve the soundman at all and gives you full control over your recording mix. You can rent all the cables pretty cheap or whatever. That should do it so you track everything separately. If you're doing that, you should plan to have at least one overhead up over the drums and/or a room mic. That's really a shitload of work for you but gives you solid gold goodness (if the band played well). - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 2:16pm Edited: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 2:20pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | Mic splitters would definitely be sweet, but six of your inputs are line level in, plus I think it would be hard to get the whole recording onto only eight tracks. I would suggest a triage method when recording live. Firtsly; knowing the best level balance will come from the FOH mix (including stage volmes) I'd hang a couple condensers at the mid-room point, which will catch the audience as well. Second, I would talk to the soundman - and don't be too shy, most soundmen would rather their job is well represented on tape - and ask what's available. Depending on the room size and stage volume, you can pretty much count on the vocals being high in the main mix, then the drums a little less, and the amplified instruments a fair bit lower because they need the least help from the PA. That's ok as you'll balance it out with the FOH mix. Ideally you might grab the monitor mix, as most bands only want vox and kick there. This would be perfect for balancing out the FOH mix as, as you said, that mix tends to lack vocals. If you could get seperate sub mixes of the drums and amps that would be ideal, but it would depend on what the board has and how accomodating the sound guy is. Here you might consider the mic splitters, but with your interface you're also talking pre-amps so . . . . also good splitters are fucking expensive. THose are my thoughts anyway, hope that helps. You got some nice angles, btw. - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 4:48pm | ||
| T. Depression User Info... | Yeah...the video looks good. I'd keep it simple. You're trying to capture a live show...my only complaint about the audio was that it didn't sound like it did at the show, because the vocals were so high in the mix, and the instrumets buried. I'd opt for a more live sound over placing a ton of mics...makes it easier for everyone. - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 4:59pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | GIVE THE MAN A CIGAR!! (to superslacks and BBJ) you're bang on for what I would do for a full scale DVD paid gig. BUT, since this is a casual affair, the solutions I am looking for need to be more simplistic. I was thinking a couple of AKG pencil condenser mics would be portable, light and DIRECTIONAL (like the one on my camera). then take a couple lines out of the board. if there are some sub assigns I could take for the drums, that could make it easy to balance in the post mix. Again, since this is more of a casual affair, I am looking for a time sensitive solution. Thanks for all the help so far!! Any other ideas? - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 6:03pm | ||
| superslacks User Info... | As I said above, the number one thing is the room micing. I've gotten remarkably good sound using a crossed-pair of C1000's, even at loud volumes. The thing is if the soundman has his shit together that's the best single source you have. It's hard to play with after tho. My first choice to augment the house mix is the monitor subs because they likely contain exactly what the house sound is missing. And on from there . . . like I said, the rule for ALL things live is triage. Honestly I think the sound you got is quite decent, certainly better than 99% of the live videos I've seen. I agree the vocals are a tad more pronounced than I might choose, but more so I would bring up the bass. - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 6:38pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Oh dude... sorry if that sounded snarky. I was genuine in the set up you had in mind. Looking in hind sight, I could have put it through Logic and EQ'd it a bit. Ah well, in due time... The other thing i find is alot of the outs (any of them) are often taken by something else (comps, tape decks, etc). I'll be playing with this next mix a little more to see what I can pull out. The best sound in town is SUGAR, hands down. - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 6:45pm | ||
| Curmudgeon Rocker User Info... | just emailed ya. - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 8:42pm | ||
| BBJones User Info... | well... just to throw it out there... I plan on ussing my effects rack at that show (drumming for Rotterdam) which means the drums will be submixed into whaatever you want (1, 2, 3 tracks.... don't matter) So, take that into consideration when thinking about your 8 tracks for a live show. Plus I probably have 8 splitters and all the extra cables you would need.... probably... but not sure... nor do I have the time to figure it out over the next two weeks... meaning if you want to pursue it... you should talk to MR Hell - Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:07pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Thanks for letting me know about that BBJ. I think that I have a plan though. For anyone looking over this thread... ADVICE needed. Keeping in mind that I am a victim of mass transit, so packing LIGHT is great, I believe that a couple of AKG pencil condenser mics (maybe X/Y config) would be my best bet for "live show" mics eh? Any one know of more DIRECTIONAL mics in that price range? or do you think the AKG's are good enough? Thanks! - Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:31pm | ||
| ROSS B AY User Info... | Email sent. No reply. - Sat, 28 Feb 2009 7:14am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Here are some acoustic gigs that I did to give you an idea of the folkier side of things: http://www.youtube.com/user/matteusvstheworld still awaiting some more offers.... - Tue, 10 Mar 2009 8:38pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | So will you be coming down to Loogie's on Saturday evening? It would be helpful to know so we can be prepared for it all. - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:16am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Sorry, I just moved so it's been a little hectic. Emailed ya. Edit: anyone know what kind of board is used at logan's? I need to start assembling a list of boards from the venues in town. Can I have a group out from the sub outs that would give me: 1. guitar group 2. drum group 3. vox group 4. bass I remember my sub outs at the VEC being attached to the mains..... - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 8:55am Edited: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 9:47am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | I believe it is a 24 channel mackie. Usually everything gets mic'd but you are not going to get good sub-mixes without doing all kinds of pleading or all the work yourself. They barely even put instruments through the PA there let alone work on any type of good balanced mix. Really, if you want it good, you are going to need to split cables and do everything yourself (or just mic it all yourself). Are you trying to keep it down to 4 tracks for some reason? If that is a hard limit you might want to consider bringing your own mixer, mic or split it all, then create your own submixes. Anyways, you might want to assume you need to bring a really good pair of room mics to mix in with whatever you can find from the board levels. No matter how you slice it all adds up to lots of work from what I can tell. I'd be more than happy to help out/provide gear etc... but not for this show... I'm fucking swamped! Which sucks balls becuase this should be a wicked show! - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:57am Edited: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:01am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Thank BBJ. I know what you mean about wanting to do it "right" with all the mic splitting and such. I do have 8 inputs total btw, all 1/4" mono. I have two mic pre's in the front of the unit usually used for room mics. So I guess that leaves me with 6 after the room mics. the reason for the 4 was that most boards have 4 sub outs. and here's why i DON'T want to mic split unless there's pay: (From the soundguys view) "Some guy I don't know comes into my venue, asks me what ever channel does/is, wants to rip up my sound board, risk fucking up my system making me repatch it, not give me a dime for the whole process and like the other dozen douchebags who have come in here and done the same thing, leave me a mess of wires to fix myself. Why the hell would I want to let him do that?" When I do use a splitter and add hassle to the soundman's work, I slip him a few bucks just for extra time and effort esp. since I will be making a few bucks myself. just trying to be considerate. A SIDE STORY along this topic: I went to sugar once to do a show, hooked up my laptop and interface and when the mains went on... BBBBBBUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Took five minutes to figure out it was because my power supply in my laptop was cheap and was causing a bad ground in the whole system. had to unplug my adapter during the show. These are the kinds of things that irritate sound techs. *end banter* - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:52am Edited: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:54am | ||
| BBJones User Info... | The only time I used splitters I split at the mic source, but that was becuase my rig was on stage. Didn't bother any sound guys that way but I hear ya. And same thing with my laptop, the adapter makes for tons of shitty noise. - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 1:23pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | I wish I didn't have to see Grant's spotlighted crotch shot every time I check this thread. Good luck getting Zippy to let you plug in to his board. - Wed, 11 Mar 2009 2:00pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... |  Point taken, I will have to start a new thread at some point, more PG. If you dig the Ball gag and chain gang, they are up on the site as well as AINT DEAD YET. CROWN THE WOLF, PRIDE TIGER AND ROTTERDAM to be up tonight or tomorrow. Cheers! - Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:57pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Rotterdam is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THa1ZqrM7V4 and so is crown the wolf. FYI: in the high def versions, there seems to be lag/choppiness. can anyone tell me if they are getting it on their comps too? thanks! ALSO: I know that the guitars sound thin in the videos for Logan's. It was the first time there doing audio. I found out there are multiple outs and I'll be working with Scott to get a better video sound for the videos. Thanks - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:49am Edited: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:12pm | ||
| trevor corey User Info... | ouch on the sound. I don't like to be critical, but bad sound can make good bands sound bad, and that can never be good. - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 1:59pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | yeah, next time the guitars will have a line out all on their own. I think that's the part that makes the sound "bad" And hey, i am always up for input.... - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:11pm | ||
 grimlord Messages Posted: I love it when a plan comes together.... | The sound at the show was grate for Logan's imo. - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:33pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | Hehe. It's almost like barber shop over a faint background of music. The visuals look pretty good though! Thanks for coming down, Matteus! Most appreciated. - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:50pm | ||
| Matteus User Info... | the live sound was good, so I was kind of surprised with what I got out of the board. But with the amps to fill up that gap, I can understand why the board mix was so much different. We'll see what we can do in the future to get a more solid sound out of Logan's. I'll have to hit up a Rotterdam show again to do justice to the band. - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 2:56pm | ||
| Mr. Hell User Info... | The board is a tricky mistress sometimes. We're playing Logan's again on April 11th. If you aren't busy that night, come on down and have another go! - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 3:16pm | ||
| Andrew Kingsley User Info... | hey thats my crotch! - Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:50pm | ||
| LETSGETRAD! User Info... | the HQ versions seem fine to me cool to see some footage to go along with the photos now great show to all - Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:12am | ||
| Matteus User Info... | Kohurshun and November rising are up November Rising: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZC_ZfxIOh8&feature=channel_page Kohurshun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xxY2BnxFQ&feature=channel The lighting was odd at Evo, so there's alot of "solid" color. In the future, I will be able to cope with it so that there's better light. Sorry about that guys. thanks to Simon for the great sound and deaing with the short notice. ALSO PLEASE NOTE: I am looking for another/a few people to team up with to do this video idea with. If you know anyone who has a camcorder and/or tapes they want done, please let them know to contact me. if you are interested in doing it but just need some tips or advice, please feel free to contact me. - Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:25am Edited: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:28am | ||
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